Comments on: Christianity is not about Sin and going to heaven!!! http://donbryant.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/christianity-is-not-about-sin-and-going-to-heaven/ Sat, 02 Jan 2010 16:20:29 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Clinton http://donbryant.wordpress.com/2009/07/08/christianity-is-not-about-sin-and-going-to-heaven/#comment-10966 Clinton Wed, 08 Jul 2009 18:26:06 +0000 http://donbryant.wordpress.com/?p=3228#comment-10966 Hi & thanks for the link. I actually have a very high view of the nature of depravity and sin-the entire reason we are baptized is for the forgiveness of sins and the newness of life (Mk. 1:4). However, if we always start our story of the gospel out with sin, then we leave Gen 1 & 2 out of the Xtian story (and this is what I think Wright is trying to say). God's intention for creating was no to save us from sin but to create a kingdom community (among other things-don't want to reduce the God's intention to this alone!). That is the context in which the doctrine of sin should be viewed. One can hold to both a very pervasive view of sin/depravity as well as a high kingdom theology/narrative. They are not mutually exclusive, rather they are complementary and necessary for correctly explicating the Xtian story. And from all of my reading Wright( I have read nearly all of Wright's stuff) holds unequivocally to a pervasive view of sin. So, again, the wedge here seems to be posited by people such as yourself-Wright certainly doesn't separate them or elevate one over the other. What I meant about Heaven is that (in agreement with Wright here) the bible does not end with "saved people" or Judgment Day, but a new heavens and new earth united in a "holy city" (a.k.a. the "New Jeruslame"). -Clint Hi & thanks for the link. I actually have a very high view of the nature of depravity and sin-the entire reason we are baptized is for the forgiveness of sins and the newness of life (Mk. 1:4). However, if we always start our story of the gospel out with sin, then we leave Gen 1 & 2 out of the Xtian story (and this is what I think Wright is trying to say). God’s intention for creating was no to save us from sin but to create a kingdom community (among other things-don’t want to reduce the God’s intention to this alone!). That is the context in which the doctrine of sin should be viewed. One can hold to both a very pervasive view of sin/depravity as well as a high kingdom theology/narrative. They are not mutually exclusive, rather they are complementary and necessary for correctly explicating the Xtian story. And from all of my reading Wright( I have read nearly all of Wright’s stuff) holds unequivocally to a pervasive view of sin. So, again, the wedge here seems to be posited by people such as yourself-Wright certainly doesn’t separate them or elevate one over the other.

What I meant about Heaven is that (in agreement with Wright here) the bible does not end with “saved people” or Judgment Day, but a new heavens and new earth united in a “holy city” (a.k.a. the “New Jeruslame”).
-Clint

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